tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post4854377680364265454..comments2024-03-22T03:28:24.897-04:00Comments on Recording Industry vs The People: State of Michigan backs DLEG, codifies agency position that computer forensics technicians are required to be licensed under Michigan lawraybeckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-46617126793511898732008-09-06T00:45:00.000-04:002008-09-06T00:45:00.000-04:00Well, the survey map leads to my home state, where...Well, the survey map leads to my home state, where the atty general basically said "no, they're tools, not investigators." <BR/><BR/>Wow, _wildly_ divergent regulations. <BR/><BR/>Wow.Rick Boatrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09784119259686141351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-64749434599406512382008-09-05T21:22:00.000-04:002008-09-05T21:22:00.000-04:00Forgot to sign that last comment, sorry. -dpForgot to sign that last comment, sorry. -dpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-38603632892149305922008-09-05T21:21:00.000-04:002008-09-05T21:21:00.000-04:00Dear ZH: What you say is precisely not accurate. ...Dear ZH: <BR/><BR/>What you say is precisely not accurate. Michigan's DLEG already said the law barred MediaSentry's investigations, and the letter of the law supported their claim. The new law is a clarification of old law, but the old law wasn't ambiguous. <BR/><BR/>Possible conversation:<BR/>MediaSentry: "Look, you fixed the wording, because obviously it was vague before!"<BR/>Defendants: "But DLEG told you it was illegal. That's not vague. And even if you weren't sure if it was legal, why didn't you get a court to rule on the issue before doing it? And even if you thought it was legal, it was still illegal, so the evidence is inadmissible."<BR/><BR/>stephenh:<BR/><BR/>Is this retroactive? I don't think so. Anyhow, any Michican-based defendant *already can* try to get MediaSentry's evidence thrown out, since MediaSentry may have been breaking the old law. Michigan's DLEG thinks they were, and I hope someday soon we'll see it in court.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-11033218160409051052008-09-05T17:08:00.000-04:002008-09-05T17:08:00.000-04:00Does it not strike you as hypocritical that the im...Does it not strike you as hypocritical that the implementation of retrospective laws is perceived as an anathema to the RIAA with the exception of course of retrospective copyright term extension?<BR/><BR/>DaveJadeichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02621372649607340215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-12319535274013302652008-09-05T13:15:00.000-04:002008-09-05T13:15:00.000-04:00Does this mean that every defendant whos evidence ...Does this mean that every defendant whos evidence was gathered by MediaSentry/Safenet after this law passed could strike it provided MediaSentry does not get an investigations license in the state of Michigan?StephenHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14106243367366411553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-84369708965605689102008-09-05T12:37:00.000-04:002008-09-05T12:37:00.000-04:00As a Michigan resident, I'm very happy to see the ...As a Michigan resident, I'm very happy to see the newly specific law on the books. However, I'm in agreement with other assessments of the law as redundant when compared to the wording of the licensing requirement of private investigators already in effect. Still, it's good to have the issue addressed plainly so abuses can't be put through the spin cycle to avoid licensing requirements.<BR/><BR/>The unfortunate thing I see coming from this is that MAFIAA lawsuits already in effect not being affected due to clams of "But the law wasn't there when we filed our complaint!" IANAL, so I don't understand how grandfathering new laws into current lawsuits works, but I'm betting the justice that the RIAA is trying to buy will keep the new law from being effective until the next round of extortion letters.<BR/><BR/>ZHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-60200839336615125222008-09-04T23:27:00.000-04:002008-09-04T23:27:00.000-04:00Would Dr. Jacobson also fall under this law?/me/Would Dr. Jacobson also fall under this law?<BR/><BR/>/me/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-28542103320992476052008-09-04T19:18:00.000-04:002008-09-04T19:18:00.000-04:00Great news!I'm with anonymous, Michigan's position...Great news!<BR/><BR/>I'm with anonymous, Michigan's position seems to be that this is codifies existing policy, how does this impact admissibility of Media Sentry evidence?Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07894924082704992802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-30076572229860610032008-09-04T14:00:00.000-04:002008-09-04T14:00:00.000-04:00Then just get the darn license!Oops, there's that ...Then just get the darn license!<BR/><BR/>Oops, there's that pesky background check.<BR/><BR/>And you might have to prove that your methods are actually valid.<BR/><BR/>And all those past violations of Michigan law.<BR/><BR/>Oh well!<BR/><BR/>XxXAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-26969315179061019692008-09-04T12:49:00.000-04:002008-09-04T12:49:00.000-04:00Do I hear the sound of a class action?Do I hear the sound of a class action?Jadeichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02621372649607340215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15479871.post-24295736426254983212008-09-04T12:10:00.000-04:002008-09-04T12:10:00.000-04:00YES, YES, YES. Finally some laws that throw the w...YES, YES, YES. Finally some laws that throw the wrench in RIAA's crappy lawsuit campaign!!! (At least in Michigan)<BR/><BR/>So would this mean that all previous "evidence" collected would fall under this new law or would the lawsuits previous to this law be grandfathered in?<BR/><BR/>Also, how would this affect lawsuits in other states?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com